B! of the southern peasant), being by a surprise of 5. Edmund, born at King's Langley-otherwise the enemy suddenly called into the field, mounted known as Chilterne or Children's Langley, from their horses so readily, without stopping to equip the nursery palace there—June 5, 1341. themselves properly, and distinguished themselves 6. William, born at Windsor, June, 1348 ; 80 splendidly in action, that it was resolved to buried in Westminster Abbey, Sept. 5, 1348 commemorate their gallantry by making their ad- (Roll of the Great Wardrobe, 21-23 Edw. III., ventitious costume the future uniform of their 38/2). regiment. A traditional reputation thus established 7. Thomas, born at Woodstock, Jan. 7, 1354 naturally led to imitation by other countries, in- (Mrs. E. Green), 1355 (Stow, Dugdale, Barnes, cluding our own. What was this battle ? Anderson, &c.). R. H. BUSK. The dates to which no authority is added are I am much obliged to N. R., to L. L. K., and undisputed. Shakspere's order, as will be seen, HERMENTRUDE. Col. HAROLD MALET for their information about is incorrect. Husgar dress. But the origin in our English army There are conflicting statements about Edward's of the second jacket is not made clear. That it is sons. In 2 Henry VI. Act II. sc. ii. lines 10-17, still worn I infer from a coloured picture that was Richard, Duke of York, founding his claim to the published with the Illustrated News, May 21, throne, gives the list in the following order (to which 1887, of the Queen's Jubilee Drawing-room. One I append the dates :-(1) Edward, the Black Prince, prominent figure is an Hussar with the empty of Wales (1330-76); (2) William_of Hatfield sleeve jacket. A. B. (1336-44); (3) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Cla rence (1338-68); (4) John of Gaunt, Duke of PORTRAITS (7th S. v. 449).-In reply to Mr. Lancaster (1340-99; (5) Edmund of Langley, Pink's query, I can answer, so far as regards Duke of York (1341-1402); (6) Thomas of Wood Sir Baptist Hicks, that there is no engraving of stock, Duke of Gloucester (1355-97); “William his portrait now in the Sessions House. When, of Windsor was the seventh and' last” (died some years ago, I had a copy in oils taken, I was young). given permission to do so on the distinct engage- In Hume's corrected English History another ment on my part that I would not have the picture son is referred to, also a William, who died in recopied or engraved. LELAND NOEL. 1335, and who must, therefore, have been the second son, and died before the next William—“of HatTAE Sons OF EDWARD III. (7th S. v. 468). – field”- was born. There were thus three Wil. They were seven in number, born in the following liams, only one of whom reached his eighth year, order : 1. Edward the Black Prince, at Woodstock, my knowledge of families I have never known a viz., William of Hatfield. It is strange, but in 1330. According to all the chroniclers and gene- child survive who was called after another prealogists, his birth took place on June 15; but viously dead. Edward III. and Queen Philippa the Issue Roll (Pasc. 4 Edw. III.) records pay- are also stated to have had five daughters. ments of the expenses of the queen's churching on W. CLARKE ROBINSON. the 24th and 28th of April. This provision was Durbam, doubtless made beforehand, since a Roll of the [Many other communications, for some of which space Great Wardrobe (4-5 Edw. III., 34/13) records may ultimately be found, are acknowledged.] the purchase of seven cloths of red velvet for the queen's uprising robe at Woodstock in Roman WALL IN THE CITY (7th S. v. 466). — July, 1330; yet it is difficult to believe that pur. The paragraph relating to this relic of antiquity chases for this ceremony would have been made may be an "extract” from the Echo, but if so it and paid for before the prince was born by at was taken without acknowledgment from the Times least six weeks. “One great cradle, gilt, painted of April 27. I speak with certainty, as I am its with the four Evangelists,” price 12. 138. 4d., author, E. WALFORD, M.A. and one smaller cradle, gilt and painted, price 26s., I do not know why a ? should be put after the were bought in June and July " for the Lord “Bull and Mouth Hotel” in the quotation from the Edward, eldest son of the King, Earl of Chester” Echo with reference to the above. This was the (Roll of Great Wardrobe, 4 Edw. III., 34/8). original name of what has been carried on for some 2. William, born at Hatfield, 1334-1336, the years as the “Queen's Hotel,” but has so many exact date much disputed ; died infant, before reminiscences connected with it in the old coaching July 8tb, 1337; buried at York. days that I should have thought every one would 3. Lionel, born at Antwerp, Nov. 29, 1338. have known its history independently of its having 4. John of Gaunt, born at Ghent, between Feb. the old carving in its front of the “Bull and 21 and June 27, 1340. Stow and Tyler say Mouth.” By the way, what has become of this February; Beltz, Mar. 25-31 ; Mrs. Everett historical “bit”? Edw. I. Dunn. Green, June. Lonsdale Road, Barnes, STANDING UP AT THE LORD'S PRAYER (7th S. v. brick or stone. The house with the plaster façade 429).- Up to the end of my undergraduate days and two large brick piers next the pavement is now (but that, alas ! means forty years ago) one of our numbered 59 and 60, the former single central endons at C.C.C., Cambridge, always stood at the trance having been made into two doorways. The Lord's Prayer when it cane in the lesson. I am 62 ft. frontage is about right, while the other frontafraid that none of us, save one on one occasion, age (Nos. 57 and 58) is about 58 ft. 6 in. The followed his example. H, J. MOULE. elevation is lined over with fine horizontal lines. Dorchester. This might represent brickwork, or it might have It is a popular idea that the custom of standing been done merely to relieve the pilasters . Whether during the reading of the Lord's Prayer when it is these pilasters, together with the door and window said as part of the lesson of the day was originated dressings, are of stone, or are likewise of stucco , by George III., who, the first time that he attended requires a careful examination. I always under church after his recovery from one of his serious stood that No. 59 was Lindsey House. illnesses, immediately arose, and stood until it was Who“murdered Jansen's centre to Northumberfinished. Surely the custom can boast of a greater land House"; and which centre; that of the façade antiquity! JOHN CHURCHILL Sikes. next Charing Cross, or of the house itself behind? 50, Agate Road, The Grovo, Hammersmith, W. It is not usually known that the former was re built 1748-52, from the design of Daniel Garrett, This is a common practice in Lancashire. I can architect, and was "completely destroyed by fire speak of it as usual in and about Ormskirk and March 18, 1780.”. Spencer House was designed Leigh; also at the Magnificat. E. LEATON BLENKINSOPP. by John Vardy about 1763. The front in St. James's Place is by “Athenian" Stuart, and of I have known the custom of standing up at the about the same date. reading of the Lord's Prayer in the second lesson The so-called Jones's "glorious watergate" was for more than fifty years, and never saw it omitted, assuredly the design and workmanship of Nicholas save in one country church, years ago, where I read Stone, the sculptor. Why is any credit given to the lesson, and was surprised to find that the con- Inigo Jones for Great Queen Street? The only gregation kept their seats; but that was in the old building in it of any note is by his pupil, John dark ages. R. P. H. Webb. I had always understood that Jones's This custom is not so uncommon as H. G. J. restorations to that building have not generally “ beautiful St. Paul's" was detestable work. His DE S. seems to think. It is, or up to very lately met with approval, except as to the portico, which has been, observed in two churches within the parish of Paddington. G. F. R. B. was of grand proportions. Your contributor is, perhaps, not aware that the stonework of the Ban MR. Justice ROKEBY (7th S. v. 448).-C. E. P. queting House was entirely renewed in 1829-30, is informed that the diary of Mr. Justice Rokeby, under the direction of that eminent architect Sir 1688-97, has been privately printed in the present John Soane, R.A., with great attention to the year, from a MS, in the possession of Sir Henry original work, so much so as evidently to deceive your Peek, Bart. A copy was presented to the Library contributor, who is too severe on the museum of of the Hon. Society of Lincoln's Inn. that architect, for it has merits of design far above the average, and whose other designs are equal, if Lincoln's Inn, not superior, to any put forward by that other great Has C. E. P. seen “ The Diary of Mr. Justice master in architecture, Inigo Jones. WYATT PAPWORTA. Rokeby, printed from a MS. in the possession of Sir Henry Peek, Bart.”? It has lately been pri- WiLLS OF SUICIDES : SUICIDED (7th S. v. 86, vately printed by Sir Henry, Peek, with a preface, 197, 416). -Suicided is an Americanism which Í dated" November 16, 1887," and signed "William have frequently seen in United States and Cana G. F. R. B. Boyd.” dian newspapers ; tempested I have not yet seen, but on opening a recent Canadian paper I came Lindsey HOUSE (7h S. 343). -- When will on one equally novel. I read that the editor of writers distinguish the difference between "an architect and a builder ? Inigo Jones may have contempt of court.” the Moncton Transcript has been jailed for his ROBERT F. GARDINER. " designed” this house, but he certainly did not “build" it. Remembering that there was an en AUTHORS OF Quotations WANTED (7th S. v. graving of it in Campbell's 'Vitruvius Britannicus,' 489). – published 1717, I found on reference that two Pride, plans and an elevation are given (vases are shown Howe'er dieguised in his own majesty, on the balustrade at top), and that it is stated that the lines aro Wordsworth's, and are found in one of his it was built 1640, and "extending 62 feet.' * Poems written in Youth,' "beginning, "Nay, Traveller! short description does not state if the front be of rest,” &c. FREDK, RULE. LIBRARIAN. Miscellaneous. early editions of Perrault are hard to get. His tales are, of course, included in the famous Cabinet des Fées,' and illustrated editions have fetched fancy prices. What Stephen. Vol. XV. Diamond-Drake. 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CONTENTS.-N° 133. In Jer. xxxi. 21 we have, "Ordeyne to thee & NOTES : - Tothill, 21–Virgil, 22–Phil or Philo-Letter of toting place”; A.V., "Make thee high heaps ''; and Grimaldi, 24-The Great Cryptogram-Epitaph Elephant 2 Kings (2 Sam.), v. 7, 9, “David took the totehil and Aristotle - Robinson Cruso, 25 - The Lincolnshire Poacher'-Lot-" Phiz" and " Alfred Crowquill,” 20. of Syon," and “ David dwellide in the totehil”; A.V., "the stronghold," "the fort." QUERIES :-Chame-Grant's Sketches in London'-Trinkets -Dual Origin of Stuart Family - Herewards – Jonas E. In the 'Promptorium Parvulorum' we find, Drinkworth, Knt.-G. P. R. James, 27—Sir John Stuart, "Tote Hylle, specula, a hey place of lokyoge, Swine-suckled - Lient. James Bottomley - Seven Clerical Orders-St. Liberata-Heraldic-Etruscan City on the site where the late Mr. Albert Way, in his learned of Rome–Fleak-Ashmole's Tomb-andrewes-- Riddles on note, says "the term seems to denote a look-out or Trees - Rockbeare, 28 - 'A Historie of Ferrar'-Arundell Family-Engraving-Queen Eleanor Crosses–Irish Exports watch tower.” Mr. Way remarks upon the frein 1847-Name of Artist Wanted, 29. quent occurrence of the word in many parts of REPLIES :-Casanova, 29 - Dr. Mounsey, 30 — Dedluck England, as enumerated by Mr. Hartshorne in his Molière Brussels Gazette' –Jacques Basire-Walker the Salopia Antiqua,'e.g., Castle Toote, Fairy Toote, Filibuster, 31-Lowestoft- Memoirs of Grammont-West Twt Hill at Carnarvon, &c. He also quotes & Chester-Sack as Communion Wine - Masson - St. Peter upon the Wall — Anna Houson, 32 - Shaking Hands - passage from 'Sir John Maundeville's Travels,' • Reminiscences of a Scottish Gentleman'--Skulls on Tombs Pitshanger - Order of the southern Cross-* Mumed p. 378, occurring in a description of the gardens of Moonlight"-Dympna - St. Colan, -Spanish Wrecks à king of India, in which is mentioned “a litylle Democracy-o. Goldsmith - Adjectives ending in -ic, -ical, Toothille with toures, &c.," where the monarch was 34 - Belgian Arms – Balk-. Matthew's Bible, 35., Cecils - wont to take the air and disport himself. Century--"Of a certain age," 36–Use of York-The Curtin - Extract from Parish Register - F. Tavares, 37—“Dead The Tothill in question at Westminster, whose Men" = Empty Bottles – To chew the rag"-"To make up name still survives in the locality, was the lookhis mouth"- New English Dictionary,' 38. out hill of the Abbey, answering to the still exNOTES ON BOOKS :-Murray's Now English Dictionary: listing mound at the north-east corner of the close Part IV.-Verity's Works of Etherege'-Jacobs's North's at Peterborough known as the Toothill, on which a tower is said to have been built by Turold, the Notices to Correspondents, &c. first Norman abbot, for the defence of his monastery. There is a similar mound at the south-west corner Notes. of the close at Ely, known at Cherry Tree Hill, and another in Deanery Garden, at Rochester. TOTHILL, WESTMINSTER, We learn from the late Mr. Burtt’s paper on The I had imagined that the question of the ety: Muniments of the Abbey of Westminster' (Archæomology of Tothill had been long since settled, and logical Journal, vol. xxix. p. 141) that the name that its derivation from tote or toute, to look or Totebull occurs early in the thirteenth century for peep, connected with the Anglo-Saxon totian, to the large tract of land, the waste of the manor, lift up, to elevate, was generally accepted, all being afterwards called Tothill Fields, on which the inagreed that tothill or toothill was an early designa- habitants of the manor had common rights, extendtion for a look-out post. But the saying that ing from the Abbey Close on the east to Eye and "errors die bard” is nowhere more true than in Chelsea on the west, and from the Thames on the etymology, and the more far-fetched and impro- south to the manors of Hyde and Knightsbridge bable a derivation is, the more pertinaciously is it on the north. In the time of Elizabeth this wide clung to, even when a clear and obvious derivation waste was a common place for duels and assemblies is close at hand. of various kinds, "not generally of the best.” To We may safely assert, pace" the Builder of these fields the gentry also used to resort "for 1875" (the Builder of 1888 would not, I think, their recreation at bowles, goffe, and stow ball,” have published such nonsense), that “the hill of and it was used "for exercize and discipline of Hermes" and the "teuthill of the Saxons” are not horse and foote," “ the herbage being very advan"the same," and that neither in Westminster nor tageous and profitable to many poore inhabitants." anywhere else has the toothill any connexion with Horse races were also run in the eighteenth century Tuisco, or Teut, or Thotb, or any other fabulous in Tothill Fields, and booths and scaffolds were deity. If, instead of puzzling their brains with old erected for the spectators, for admission to which mythologies, our would-be etymologists bad turned payment was demanded "as for the use of the Dean to Wycliffe's Bible, they would have found the and Chapter.” The mob on these occasions proving word, in its true meaning as a beacon or look-out unruly and riotous, the Government were not unstation, in more places than one. Thus, Isaiah xxi. reasonably "offended,” and “the Dean and Chapter 5, we read, “Set the bord, bihold in a toothill," were highly reflected on” for allowing their land to where in the A.V. we have, “Prepare the table, be so used. The parents of boys at Westminster watch in the watchtower"; and again, v. 8 of the School also grew uneasy, and threatened that comsame chapter, “ Up on the toot hill of the Lord I plaints should be laid before Parliament if these ! |