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“ volunt.TRYTHALL FAMILY.–What is known of the Mippid” is plainly written, but here old Cornish family of Trythall, and has a again the last i is not dotted. It would seem pedigree ever been compiled ? I understand that in this case seisin was given to a copy- that there is now only one family extant holder. If he thus became a freeholder, the bearing this surname. Is this so? proceeding strikes me as irregular. Some

JAMES SETON-ANDERSON. common-law lawyer—I hope the race is not 39, Carlisle Road, Hove, Sussex. extinct--may be able to explain.

RICHARD H. THORNTON. Portland, Oregon.

Replies. MORAY.—Can any reader give information concerning the Lord Moray, who, according

SEVENTH DAY BAPTISTS OF MILL to the play, ' Charles I,' was once a favourite

YARD, WHITECHAPEL. of the King, but traitorously delivered him into the hands of the Scots after the Battle

(12 S. xii. 26). of Naseby ?

G. C.

At the above reference Mc.” gives an ST. AGNES' EVE.-I should be glad of account of the Mill Yard congregation of information regarding the traditions of the Baptists, in which I have no interest and Eve of St. Agnes, which I understand is which I believe to be correct in so far as it January 20th.

concerns Mill Yard. For, as he himself Of course, the two poems, one written by points out, the “memorial” presented to Tennyson, and the other by Keats, bear upon the Charity Commissioners by this congregathe subject; but I am anxious to know about tion in Feb., 1855, explicitly asserted that the legends surrounding the anniversary.

this congregation was

founded in Mill HENRY G. BRENGLE.

Yard in 1693”--that is rather more than

four years after the Revolution. But I [Information upon this subject will be found

the rest

of at ? S. iii. 402. 165: 7 S. ix. 488, s. 27, 77; must impeach the whole of 10 S. iv. 449, vii. 311; 11 S. v. 47, 112, 136,

Mc.'s statements about a supposed his275. The last set of references is concerned tory of this congregation before 1693. with the folk-lore behind Keats's poem. Chambers's Book of Days” might also be evidence that there ever was a congregation

In the first place, just as there consulted. The St. Anges' Eve Customs are to be referred to her being patron of young

with John James as pastor,” so iilso there girls, not to her story].

is no contemporary evidence that James was. TABER (TABOR) FAMILY.-I am interested

an anabaptist (as the term then ran) at all,

He was urging to know how long the family of Taber has much less a Sabbatarian.

the been settled in Essex, and the origin of the liis hearers to rise in rebellion There exists a variant of the name “ seventh day,” upon which he was arrested,

the in the same county known as Tabor.

simply because that seventh day was H. JOHNSTONE-SMITH.

anniversary of the execution of the regicides. Capt.

Hacker and Axtell. Anyone who is fami

liar with the tracts of the times will be aware BIRTH AND DEATH DATES WANTED.--Who that large numbers of Quakers and other can give me birth and death years of : persons who objected to “ heathen names

Rev. James Ridley (“ Sir Charles Morrell.”) for the days of the week, then described them Menella Smedley (“ S. M.")

by numbers only, instead of giving them Lady Fenn (“ Solomon Lovechild.”)

their conventional names. Similarly with John Harris (“Sirrahnio.”)

regard to the months, March was the first Rer. Stephen Weston (“S. W.") Dr. Sam. Newington (" Sigma.”

month," and so on. James Love (Scribblerus Maximus.") Probably, therefore, James had delivered John W. Bannister (“Settler."

a seditious speech on every day of the Peter Beckford (“Sportsman of Berkshire.") anniversaries of the trials and executions of Mary Linskill (“ Stephen Yorke.") Fredks. K. Hunt (“ Student at Law.”)

the regicides. Certain it is, as the following Spencer L. Hughes (“Sub Rosa.”)

transcript proves, that he delivered such a Thomas Scot (“ S. R. A. I.”)

speech upon Thursday, Oct. 10. (Why not, WILLIAM ABBATT. therefore, term him a fifth day baptist”? Tarry Town, N.Y.

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The information of John Crabb, in which temporary evidence does not end here. he incorrectly describes John James Charles Il's repeated efforts in favour of " William" James, is as follows. This toleration have never received their just due, information is insufficiently summarised on

and his “ Declaration of Indulgence p. 110 of the Calendar of State Papers, brought him into conflict with Parliament,

after he had licensed conventicles all over Domestic Series, for 1661-1662 : October the 11th, 1661. The information of licenses are to be found in Mr. Frank Bate's.

the kingdom. Full particulars of these John Crabb. Hee saith, that yesterday he was at a meeting in Dukes Place, within a dark scholarly book, " The Declaration of Indulentry, three paire of staires high, where there gence, 1672, published in 1908. It is clear was only about twenty mett; wch were all in- from these that there was no congregation. known with him; the speaker was one William either in Bulstake Alley or in Mill Yard James; they prayed that God would deliver them from ye Redd scarlett whore yt halth

in 1672. baithed herselfe in ye blood of ye Saints, that Again, in December, 1683, a list of conGod would give the murderers blood to drinke, venticles in and around London was printed and that God would take of (sic) our loue from by Nathaniel Thompson, addressed to the ye world, and not to value their Trades or

Lord Mayor (Sir William Pritchard) as a estates, but that they should lay them doune to doe God's work.

gentle hint for their suppression. This also Hee saith yt in his sermon, hee told them is innocent of any sort of congregation in they were as a woman wth child, yt hath gone either of the two places in question, the from quarter to quarter for nowe more then only conventicle, described a yeare; they were now to desire God, yț they lenarian,” being one in Southwark, at might bring forth a people for the doeing of

Horse ly down,' the his worke; though it had pleased God" to

minister being

is deliver his precious Saints into ye hands of

Wheeler." murderers, as Harrison, Scot, Carrey si.e., All the false traditions have been derived Carew. Harrison and Carew, the regicides, were from, and all the untrue inferences drawn. both fifth monarchy men, Scot was a debaucheel and others; yet God had nevertheless increased through, inexperienced eighteenth century their numbers, for their blood was like seede research workers (like Crosby) lighting upon. throwne into the ground yt had increased the fraudulent “ Narrative " of John them from 60 to a 100 and from a 100 to a 1000. James, printed in 1662, and, just simply

They did pray yt God would carry on & because it was printed, jumping to the con-hasten the worke, and putt it into their hearts clusion that it was true. Crosby and the who should be their chief man to carry on their designe

rest did not know that the absence of a pub

John Crabb lisher's name on a tract at this time at once: Teste, John Willshire

marks it is seditious. John Crabb further saith yt the said Willm. Those who, like the communicants of fifty James said the time was when King and years ago, repeat the brutal speech falsely bishops were taken away, & for the sinnes of asserted to have been uttered by Charles II those yt carried on their private ends, God suffered them to be brought in againe; hee to James's wife, the arrant nonsense about prayed yt God would put an axe into ye hand the sudden deaths of Hodgkins, Mould, Stanof some of his servants to hewe downe root field and Browne, or the scandalous lie in and branch of King and Bishopps, that hath the tract, that the executioner asked twenty formerly been a stincke in ye nostrills of pounds for remitting part of the sentence, ye whole Nation.

yt nothing was wanting but ye spiritt of God, to give notice are doing what the forgers of the

" Narrawhen they should go on with their work, and tive” wished. They are representing the praied for yt spiritt: the said Crabb; Saith yt these meetings is for to pray for murder of a non-conformist, and stirring up

condemnation of a traitor as the judicial ve spiritt of directions, how and when to pro- hate of a King who has been ceed; and yt they have of purpose a praying

very

much people as well as an acting people.

misjudged. Charles II was never cruel.

John Crabh Charles II followed the precedent set in Teste, John Willshire

the case of Venner's men, other than Venner Duke's Place was in Whitechapel, just himself and Hodgkin. John James did not outside Aldgate (see Wheatley's 'London'), undergo the “barbarous penalty " for high and, obviously, Bulstake (or Bull) Alley is treason. His execution was

“ with mercy,” referred to as the “dark entry.The infer- as the term then ran, that is to say, he was. ence that this congregation of about 20 then hanged until he was dead, before his body continued to exist, as separate entity, was beheaded. until 1693, is untenable. Moreover, con- Those readers who doubt whether the

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.66 Narrative in question was fraud his somewhat erratic career on the other should consider the difficulties in the way side of the Atlantic, and with such facts as of an unauthorised person taking down such I could obtain in libraries there of his tragic a mass of matter in shorthand. Then le end here. I shall be very glad if J. G. M. them compare the Narrative' with the can furnish any particulars as to his origin,

Speeches and Prayers' of the regicides parentage and family connections. I have executed in the previous year, and note the found a number of his name in Devon, similar wording and arrangement-even to around Bideford, in local records, including the text on the title page (** He by it being several Thomases. It may be that in the dead yet speaketh”), and they will not be various contemporary works cited

by long in coming to the conclusion that both J. G. M. there is a reference to his birthwere by the same hand. And, as to the place or antecedents. Speeches and Prayers,' four men were tried

CHARLES E. BANKS. for printing and publishing them at the Strand Palace Hotel. commencement of 1664. Probably the same

DISCE UT SEMPER VICTURUS, men were concerned in the · Narrative,' but

VIVE UT CRAS MORITURUS. no separate count was made for that, as the King refused to allow trial for high (10 S .ix. 49, 113).-Since supplying at treason, and only permitted a prosecution the second reference, several examples of the for misdemeanour.

maxim contained in the second line, though The printed report of this last trial is otherwise expressed, I have noted the followentitled 'An exact narrative of the Tryal ing on p. 101 of Jakob Werner's ' Lateinische and Condemnation of John Twyn ... Sprichwörter und Sinnsprüche des MittelThomas Brewster

Simon Dover alters,' (Heidelberg, 1912): Nathan Brooks,' etc., etc. The preface to Vive

viciis, tamquam sis this trial describes the Speeches and

moriturus, Prayers as follows:

Intendens studiis, quasi numquam sis

moriturus, Be it known to the Reader, that this book was not, as it pretends to be, a trile account Werner has a reference to Ernst Voigts of the words, written or spoken, of dying men, article, ‘ Florilegium Gottingense,' in vol. iii but a meer forgery and imposture, fathered of 'Romanische Forschungen,' where, p. 293, upon those who were executed, but contrived

I find this :by the traytors that 'scaped; as deeming it their safest way to publish_the designs of the Vive vacans studio, quasi numquam sis living in the words of the dead, and the most

moriturus, conducing to their project of destroying the

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vitio, tamquam sis cras present Kiny to persuade the multitude into

moriturus, a good opinion of the murder of the last. To These two lines are in a MS. dated 1366*. conclude. Notorious it is that the whole libel Those in Werner's collection are from a MS. is a cheat, the letters and speeches a counterfeit, &o.

of the early part of the 15th century. Mutatis mutandis, exactly the same words

It is curious that vacans bears different

the may be applied to the “ Narrative of John meanings in the alternative forms of James.

proverb. What was the original source, or J. G. M. form, who can say ?

EDWARD BENSLY. THOMAS VENNER, FIFTH MONARCHY LEADER (12 S. xii. 54. v.s. Execution of a

SUBURBS OF THE CITY OF LONDON (12 S. Non-conformist Minister ').

xii. 52).—The Suburbs of the City of LonThe article

as wel referred to with its bibliography has been don, as existing in Stow's time, very interesting to me, as I wrote a short without the gates and wals as without the sketch of Venner's career many years ago

liberties,” are described by him ( Survey of (about 1882, I think) which was published in London,' ed. Kingsford, ii, 70-97). On the the New England Historical and Genealogical west side of the city the suburbs without the Register of that date. A set of this period- gates begin at New Gate and Lud Gate, ical is in the British Museum. It may not between which outside the walls runs the Old be unknown to J. G. M. that Venner was

Bayly. The suburbs without the Liberties on an early emigrant to Massachusetts (163

this side might begin at Temple Bar, where where he carried on his trade of wine

the Liberties of the City of London end, <cooper in Salem, later removing to Boston * This is the date given by Voigt. I assume in the same State. My article deals with' Werner's “ 1561" (p. viii) to be an error.

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though there are other Liberties beyond. “MAN OF Was." (12 S. xi. 489, 518; Though he speaks (ii. 80) of "the West-and xii. 16).-In the St. William Window at. by North Suburbe,' he does not attempt any York, two of the panels represent a sick man enumeration of Suburbes," and from his in bed being measured for a wax leg, and the statement that the suburbs about London man recovered presenting the wax model at hath bin also mightily increased with build the shrine of the saint. A cross pole either ings," it may perhaps be inferred that he projecting from, or suspended near, the. did not understand the word as ving a shrine has similar offerings hanging from it, technical meaning, but as including all the including a head, a hand, an arm and a built-over spaces which were continually heart. For valuable particulars concerning spreading out from the site of the ancient wax models of this kind Dr. James city.

JOHN MAGRATH. Fowler's learned description of the window, · The Priory of St. Bartholomew is in Yorkshire Archeological Journal, 1886. described in numerous charters and deeds, dating from its foundation down to

the reign of Queen Elizabeth, as being “in Westsmithfield in Suburbiis Londin'" in the Suburbs of London."

WILLIAM BARNARD. PANTON BETEW (12 S. xii. 53).-:Not much, I fear, can be added to J. T. Smith's information about Panton Betew, who died, I believe, in 1799, the year in which his collection was sold. He probably had much more to do with Gainsborough than Smith's account suggests, for there are at the British Museum no fewer that five prints after pastoral pictures by the artist described engraved from canvases in the possession of Mr. Panton Betew." That he was not a bachelor we know, because his name appears in a list, published in 1889 by Sir George Armitage, of some of the marriages at the notorious St. George's Chapel, Mayfair. The list, which is in one of the Harleian Society's volumes, contains

notable marriages, as Sir George points out in the preface. Among them is that of Gainsborough to Margaret Burr, on July 15, 1746 ; and it was Gainsborough, perhaps, who recommended the Chapel to his friend Betew, who was married there to Sarah Broome of Marylebone, on February 23, 1754. It may be worth mentionnng that Thomas

Chippendale, the famous cabinet-maker, was (also married at the Chapel, in 1748.

When Betew's property was sold by his executors on June 13, 1799, he was described, not as a dealer, but as. an amateur of the fine arts, well known among the collectors." His own collection included drawings and

JOHN A. KNOWLES. prints, described as valuable, some pictures, and models by Rysbrach. The sale was held THE NORTH SEA : " BRITISH OCEAN.' at No. 5, Fivefield Row, Chelsea, probably (12 S. xii. 52);-With reference to the above. the house mentioned by Smith.

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In Johnston's Historical Atlas,' 1911, Suffolk, when he matriculated from the map showing The Roman Empire in the Christ Church, 5 June, 1724, aged 18. The 4th Century' gives Germanicum Mare," form in which the matriculation entries are and this continues until the fall of the given by Foster in Alumni Oxonienses, Empire. From Europe in the time of e.g. “ Johnson James, s. James of Melford, Charles the Great, A.D 814,' the “North Suffolk, cler.” does not make this quito Sea is given, and this continues, though plain, though in the introduction, Vol. I, German Ocean is shown on the map of p. viii he rightly informs the reader that the Lancaster period, and North Sea or the information given in the entry is "the German Ocean in the Stuart period. parentage, birthplace and age of [at] admis

Colbeck's Public Schools' Historical sion of every Oxford man. His note, Atlas,' 1905, agrees with the former atlas which states that the residence of his except that “ German Ocean” is shown in father is “given in the matriculation connection with the campaigns of Edward entry

is a mistake. Only the quality III in France. Gardiner's School Atlas of (nob. arm. gen. pleb. cler. etc.), not the English History' seems to be somewhat tho residence, of the father is given.

JOHN R. MAGRATH. Bartholomew's 'Literary and Historical His mother Anne, daughter and Atlas of Europe (Everyman's Library) co-heiress of Thomas Cuthbert of Wickford, gives

“Occidentalis Oceanus in map of Essex. He was never married. G. F. R. B. .814, and then “ North Sea " for other maps. will find all that is known of his family in

The ‘Atlas Classique’ (Schrader and Gal- an article by Walter Money, Transactions of louedec, published by Hachette et Cie., the Bristol and Gloucestershire ArcheologiParis, 1909), gives Océan Germanique" cal Society, viii, part 2. ) öc

G. R. Y. R. on the two maps, Gaule Ancienne ? and THE THREE HUNDRED

SIXTY-FIVE Les Barbares dans l’Empire Romain ;' and Mer du Nord"

CHILDREN (12 S. xi, 351, 372, 417, 518 ; on maps

Empire des Arabes' and Empire de Charlemange;'

xii. 36).-Supplementary to Prof. Rollin's and this continues. In the map of Les Bar- article, and the notes in his ' Pepysian Garbares “ La Manche"

appears as

land,' pp. 124 ff., are the following note

Océan Britannique. I do not remember having worthy discussions of the story :-Kr. Nyrop,

En kuriositet i kunstkammeret, Copenseen this before. The Atlas de Géographie Historique reviewed by K.' Reuschel (Deutsche Literatur'

hagen, Thiele, 1905, 45 PP., which is Histoire du Moyen Age? (Librarie Payot & Cie, Lausanne, 1906) gives Océan Ger

zeitung, 1905, col. 3009), and A. de Cock,

Volkssage, Volksgeloof en Volksgebruik, manique on the map showing · Migrations

Antwerp, Janssens, pp. 9-18, « Zooveel Kinet Etablissement des Barbares' and Mer du Nord” from A.D. 527-565 onwards.

deren als Dagen in het Jaar.' See further

Wallonia, viii. 53; Revuc des traditions I know that my father's mother (b. 1798,

populaires, x. 663. d. 1880) was very patriotic; she shows this

SAGITTARIUS. on the map of Europe which she worked when at a private school at Wyken,

GRAFFITI OF SHIPS OLD CHURCHES Bridgenorth, in 1803; for she put very 12 S. xi. 52).-Such graffiti were not confined | plainly " BRITISH OCEAN,' I think this is to churches. On the walls of the guardroom

the only time I have ever seen this. It of the Westgate, Winchester, there are two would be very interesting to know if it was interesting engravings of ships carved by usual at that period. When I commenced prisoners when the Westgate was used as a geography, nearly, sixty years ago, I was prison. One of these, carved about 1624, as taught that the proper title was North Sea is proved by another device obviously by the or German Ocean," but I think that now we same hand so dated, represents early may very properly call it the “ British Norman ship of single mast, still steered by Ocean."

the steer- or star-board, and I think a free HERBERT SOUTHAM. copy of that on the first seal of Southamp

ton. The other is of different style, and of JANES JOHNSON (12 S. xii. 53).—James a man-of-war of the seventeenth century, Johnson, afterwards' bishop of Worcester, drawn in perspective from the stern. must have given his birthplace as Melford,

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