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DR. WELLS : PAPER ON THE DEW AND coat quite undecipherable. I cannot idenSINGLE VISION.'-In Italian trans- tify these arms as having belonged to the lation of a treatise published in English families who formerly owned the house, early in the last century about the origin which dates from 1460. of Darwinism, there is mentioned a paper

CHARLES S. TOMES. by a Dr. Wells entitled “On the Dew and

Mannington Hall, Aylsham Norfolk. Single Vision.' Researches made in Italy have failed to the parentage of Gianetta di San Severino,

SAN SEVERINO.-Can any one give me trace Dr. Wells's paper. give an explanation of its somewnat púzzling the wife of Louis d’Enghien, Count of title (possibly a translation thereof in Italian Brienne and Conversana (d. post 1383), or French) and a very short general idea of whose grandson, Peter de Luxemburg, the paper itself ?


Count of St. Pol Brienne and Conversana 1 Old Broad Street, E.C.

(d. Aug. 31, 1433) was one of the original

knights of the Order of the Golden Fleece LADY ANNE GRAHAM.—I am endeavouring (Jan. 10, 1429/30), and grandfather, through to trace the ancestry of a certain Lady Jacquetta, Duchess of Bedford and Countess Anne Graham, who came to reside in of Rivers, of Elizabeth Wydville, Queen of Jersey, C. I., during the latter part of the Edward IV. ?

MEDINEWS. eighteenth century. I understand that her husband was descended from the Grahams, Have there been any instances of recipients

CONSECRATED ROSES IN COATS OF ARMS.— former owners of Dalkeith Palace. Her daughter Anne, married John Dolbel of of roses consecrated by the Pope emblazon. Jersey in 1792 and died in 1808.

ing these roses in their coats of arms? If John D. LE CONTEUR.

so, does the consecrated rose assume a form Winchester, Hants.

different from that of the ordinary heraldic rose ?

NOLA. ROBERT DARLEY WADDILOVE.-Dean of Ripon. The ‘D.N.B.' lviii., 406 states that when did plum pudding become the recog

CHRISTMAS PUDDING AND MINCE-PIES.he was the son of Abel Darley of Borough- nised Christmas pudding and since when has bridge, but omits the name of his mother. the idea been in vogue that every minceCan any correspondent supply it ?

G. F. R. B.

pie eaten before Twelfth Night brings luck ?

Fifty years ago I was taught that the first SIR JOHN WILSON (1780–1856).—The full mince-pies should be eaten on “Stirup date of his birth and particulars of his Sunday and every one eaten between then parentage are wanted. The 'D.N.B.' Ixii., and Twelfth Night, in a different house, 112, gives no assistance, but I have come meant one month of happiness in the New across a statement that he was a

son of
Year. All the mince-meat had to be

Lt. Col. Wilson and grandson of Philip finished by Shrove Tuesday.
Wilson of Balingary, co. Londonderry.

SCOLES AND DUKE FAMILIES.-In St. Where is a pedigree of this family to be Mary's Church, Marlborough, Wilts, is a found ?

G. F. R. B.

monument with the following inscription COAT OF ARMS : IDENTIFICATION SOUGHT. “Near this Place Lyeth ye Body of Jane, The -Can any reader assist me to identify the wife of Robert Scoles of Wroughton, gent., following (colours cannot be given as the eldest daughter of Andrew Duke of Bulford,

Esq. She died November 16th, 1733. Anno coat occurs sculptured upon a mantelpiece Aetat. 41.” of Purbeck marble):

Heraldry (in colours) : arms of Scoles First and fourth quarters On a chevron impaling Duke, namely, Gules, on a chevron between three paws razed five fire-balls or between three escallops argent as many bombs and at the top of the chevron an mullets of the fields for Scoles. Per fesse estoile (or mullet ?).

argent and azure three chaplets two and one Second quarter Three bends, and third counterchanged for Duke. Who were the quarter A chief indented.

parents of Robert Scoles ? Any information The paws have four toes with claws, and respecting him and his family would be might be leopards, lions or otters. On the gratefully received. opposite side the arms of the Ironmongers'

LEONARD C. PRICE. Company occur, whilst between them is a Essex Lodge, Ewell.

MAYNE AND KNIGHT.-Wanted date and I seek the name of Andrew Forrester's place of marriage of Robert Mayne, M.P. wife, also the names of his children. A Nell for Gatton, Surrey, with Anne, daughter of Forrester, of Corstorphine, married James John Knight, Esq., I believe of Gloucester Simpson (born 1746 /49, d. Apr. 27, 1819) shire. I shall also be glad to know the date at Cramond about 1774. Was she a desof her death.

cendant of Alexander ? Were these For. Robert Mayne, born 1724, was a London resters related to Sir George Forrester who banker, and he married, secondly, in 1775, was created a baronet [ar. 17, 1625 and a Sarah, dau, and co-heiress of Francis Otway peer, as Lord Forrester of Corstorphine, of Lincolnshire. I shall be grateful for July 22, 1633 ? information about the Knight family.

JAMES SETON-ANDERSON. H. C. BARNARD. 39 Carlisle Road, Hove, Sussex. Yatton, Somerset.

STAPLETON: O'SULLIVAN.-Can some one STONEHENGE.-In the Bristol Museum inform me if there exist (and where), any there was to be seen a few years ago, an old portraits of Prince Charles Edward's two Wiltshire map, illustrating Stonehenge, and generals Brigadier Walter Stapleton supshowing nine upright trilithons, dated 1610, posed to have died after the battle of Culloby John Speed.” The lettering read as den, 1746, and Coi. John O'Sullivan, follows :

knighted by the Pretender, 1748, who Aurelius Ambrosius

escaped to France after Culloden-date of buried at Stonehenge anno 500

death unknown. (Mrs.) C. STEPHEN. This ancient monument was erected by Aurelius

Wootton Cottage, Lincoln. surpamed Ambrosius of the Brittaines whose nobility in the reign of Vortiger his country's T. JONES, AUTHOR OF THE HEART ITS scourge about ye yere of Christ 475 by treachery of ye Saxons on a day of parley were there slaughtered

RIGHT SOVEREIGN,' &c.—Can any particulars and their bodies there interred in memory of which be furnished about the author of this book the King Aurel caused this trophy to be set up –birth, personalia and year of demise admirable to posterity both in form and quality. He also wrote ‘Rome no Mother Church,' Was this the popular belief in James I.'s 1678.

ANEURIN WILLIAMS. reign with regard to the origin of Stone

Menai View, North Road, Carnarvon. henge ? There are of course barrows in the

[The authorities for his life given in the vicinity, but probably of an earlier date than D.N.B.' are Wood's 'Athena Oxon.'; Wood's the sixth century. Or, is “John Speed Fasti Oxon.'; Burrows's Registers of Visitors hastily settling to his own satisfaction, the of the University of Oxford '; Bye-Gones relating very abstruse problem concerning the origin and Jan. 20, 1876, and Thomas's History of the

to Wales and the Border Counties,' Mar. 4, 1874, of Stonehenge ?

F. BRADBURY. House of St. Asaph.'] Sheffield.

“WYTYNG.”—In the Glossary to vol. ii. JOHN SCAJFE (OR SCAFE), of Tanfield, 'The Stornor Letters and Papers’ (Camden Co. Durham, born in 1776 ; was a Capt. in Third Series, xxx., 1919) I read :

43rd Regt. and was living at Alnwick, NorWytyng, wyte, to depart, a sone wytyng a thumberland in 1819–20. Can any one give quick going, i. 97."

further particulars, as to date of birth and Dr. Bradley's edition of Stratmann gives place of burial ? Have no access to Army no instance of wyten later than 1300 ; so a Lists so am prevented from getting help in fifteenth-century survival would be valuable,

J. W. F. and I looked up the original (* Auc. Corr.,'

“RIGGES xlvi. 243) only to find that Thomas Stonor

“ GRANPOLES.”—In the wrote & sone departyng.” Is it possible Report of the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic that the reference is wrong, and that the Society for 1856, p. 35, Jonathan Couch, word cccurs somewhere else in the book ?

F.L.S., &c., mentions a Commission under Q. V.

the Great Seal of Charles II. in which,

Nicholas Saunders of Truro, is authorized ANDREW FORRESTER.—Son of Alexander " to secure, recover, recerise. and regavé....all Forrester, minister of Tranent, was minister fishes Royall, viz., Sturgeon, Whales, Rigges, Porof Glencross, and apparently also of Penicuik, puses, Granpoles," &c. in 1588. Two years later, he was translated What was meant in the days of “the to Costorphine, and in 1598 was removed Merry Monarch ” by “Rigges," and Granto Dunfermline,


W. S. B. H.

that way.


REFERENCE WANTED to following pasage, from MR. CHAMBERS's query should probably a letter of Henry Sedgwick to F. W. H. Myers : be answered in the affirmative. The follow

“My difficulty is that I cannot give to principles ing, which was written to some Anglican paper of conduct either the formal certainty that comes from exact science or the practical certainty that in the late nineties, may interest him :comes from a real consensus of experts.”

J. E. T.


Sir,-In an interesting book in my possession I should be much obliged if any reader can

published in 1820, I find the following record

of the ceremonial use of incense in the procession give authors' names and exact reference for the at the Coronation of King George III., in 1761:following quotations. I am quoting only from

THE ORDER OF THE PROCESS ON. memory :1. Did not the learned Sergeant Maynard

Children of the Chapel Royal

in surplices with scarlet mantles over them. To prove all traitors guilty strain hard ?

Choir of Westminster 2. 'Tis rare the father in the son to trace

in surplices. He sometimes rises in the third degree, The King's Organ Blower The King's Groom of the Now on the crest of the wave

(John Ray),

And now in the trough of the sea.

in a scarlet coat, with a (William Smith).

silver-gilt badge on bis left in a scarlet drenn, holding a 3. Oft have I seen a game of chess,


perfuming pan, burning ferThe king and bishops in distrese,

fumers. Queen, knights and castles all forlorn,

The book also contains a picture of the proAnd now and then a pawn.

cession, with William Smith and his cloud of W. H. GINGELL.

incense and perfuming pan very much in evidence. 8 East Parade, Leeds.

The same book also contains the following 4. endlessly pexplexed

reference to the ceremonial use of lighted candles With impulse, motive, right and wrong,

at the funeral of the previous monarch, King

the ground

George II. :Of obligation, what the rule and whence

At the entrance within the church, the Dean and Prebent The sanction.

daries in their copes, attended by the choir, all having wox

tapors in their hande, are tu receive the Royal body, and are (Wordsworth, ‘Prelude,' bk. xi. 298.)

to fall into the procession just before Clarenceux, King of. J. E. T Arms, and are su to proceed singing, etc.


January 16.

It is unfortunate that Mr. Shore omitted

to give the title and other particulars of the - FRANCKINSENCE."

“interesting book.” The use of incense (12 S. viii. 29.)

in the consecration of chancels and altars

WAS matter of complaint among the The use of incense for ceremonial purposes Puritans in 1641 (see ‘Hierurgia Anglicana,' in the English Church practically ceased in p. 367). the reign of Edward VI.; it seems, however, Incense was

swung and waved

in Ely that n) Act was passed or order promul- Cathedral at the end of the eighteenth gated for its abolition. At Aldeburgh and century (see a letter of Dr. Harvey Goodwin, many other towns the Church was used for Bishop of Carlisle to The Guardian of Jan. 6, elections and other secular purposes (the 1875). sale of ships took place in the church at In the Form of Dedication and ConsecraAldeburgh) and in this particular casetion of a Church or Chapel drawn up in I think the entries refer to fumigation only, 1685 by Archbishop Sancroft, and first. --and extracts from the later Chamberlains' printed for John Harley in Holborn in 1703, Account books (which I am now preparing there is a form for the dedication of a censer, for ‘N. & Q.') confirm this impression : and of candlesticks, though the form does. 1625. Item to Mr. Oldringe for pfume oyle and not contemplate that a censer and candle

Franckensence for the Churche.. 00 01 06 sticks will always be presented for dedica1625 Item to Mr. Oldringe for pfume Candle

tion. Aprill 18 ..

00 01 06

In the well-known 1626 To Mr. Owldrine for perfumes at Christide

of Martin 2. and Easter

00 03 00 Mackonochie (L. R., 2 A. and E. 116) Sir I have read somewhere that the ‘per

Robert Phillimore remarked (p. 213), that and bearer bore their part at the incense " for the purposes of ornament or coronation of George III.

fumigation of the Church appears to have ARTHUR T. WINN,

been used in the Anglican Church at various Aldeburgh

times since the Reformation, “and especially




fume pan

by the saintly Herbert,” and at p. 215 he or to put them into the form of a biography said:

by writing a brief connecting narrative. Bishop Andrewes, a very high authority, I chose the latter method because, while it appears to have used it, though in what way is would enable me to retain the ipsissima not clear, in his own private chapel,”

verba of all the most important documents, and that it

the story might still interest some members. certainly was in use in the time of King Edward of the general public. I was aware that the Sixth's first prayer book. The visitation I should be producing in either case what article of Cranmer as to forbidding the censing to certain images, &c., supplies one of the proofs of Charles Lamb would have called “a book the fact."

which is no book”; but I thought that the Still, though he regarded the ceremonial historical value of the material justified me use of incense as an ancient, innocent, and in braving the distaste which the form of my pleasing custom, he decided that “to

book was bound to excite in the mind of

I am still not bring in incense at the beginning or during any good judge of literature. the celebration and remove it at the close of sure, however, whether there is any better the celebration of the Eucharist,” to be way of doing what had to be done-unless, & distinct ceremony, additional and not

of course, one were to double the size of the even directly incident to the ceremonies volume by relegating all the MS. quotations ordered by the Book of Common Prayer,” to an appendix and writing a literary bioand to be therefore illegal.

graphy with “something of a mise-en-scène In the later case of Sumner v. Wix (L. R.,

and an atmosphere. But then who would 3 A. and E. 58) the same judge held that the


publish it ? use of incense immediately before the cele

A FEW WARWICKSHIRE FOLK SAYINGS bration of the Holy Communion in such a way as to be preparatory or subsidiary to earlier, form of the “silent sow

(12 S. vii. 507 ; viii. 35).—A racier, if not an the celebration was also illegal.

proverb is

recorded in Camden's 'Remaines ’: “The These legal decisions have, however, as is still sow eateth up all the draffe," p. 307, well known done very little to impede the ed. 636.

EDWARD BENSLY. ceremonial of incense in Anglican Much Hadham, Herts. churches. John B. WAINEWRIGHT.


ING (12 S. vii. 68, 94, 114, 134, 173, 216, THE HANDLING OF SOURCES (12 S. vii. 438).—Abraham Chovet was liveryman and 499).- From the literary point of view I

demonstrator of anatomy in the (London)

agree with almost everything that your reviewer Company of Barber-Surgeons, in 1734, and has said in his kindly criticism of my book

for several years thereafter. S. Weir Mit• William Bolts.' But he raises an interest-chell mentions that Dr. Physick told his ing question. Given a mass of MS. records father :of historical interest concerning a man once

“ While living in London, Chovet tried to save famous, records hitherto unpublished and for highway robbery, by opening the trachea

a too adventurous gentleman about to be hanged difficult of access, what is the best method of before the hangman operated. The patient was making them available for the historical rapidly removed after the execution, and is said student ?

to have spoken. A queer tale, and doubtful, He offers two alternative methods, either but worth the telling. The Government is said complete digestion of the material and the experiment, and Chovet brought his queer

to have lacked due appreciation of this valuable composition of a literary hiography, or the Voltarian visage to America." orderly printing of the records with full

Quotation is from p. 219 of ‘American annotation.

Medical Biographies,' which Drs. H. A. The former method I deliberately rejected, Kelly and W. L. Burrage have recently because it would not have made the records edited. This has many notices of those who available for the student. For the same (like Mitchell) have ridden two horses, reason I rejected, except to a limited extent, medicine and literature, and can doubtless the substitution of a paraphrase for an exact be found already in the larger libraries. quotation. It seemed to me that the only In any case, it is well worth calling the way of fulfilling my design was either to attention of the readers of ‘N. & Q.’ to it. print and annotate the records, in which

ROCKINGHAM case no general reader would open the book, Boston, Mass.


VOUCHER RAILWAY TICKET (12 S. tickets and the numbers are also written vii. 510; viii. 36).-Two unused first and in. These particular vouchers were issued -second class “ vouchers ” with their counter- at special rates for an excursion on the foils intact are in my possession. They occasion of a Wesleyan Conference held at measure 81 in. by 3& in., the first class Birmingham during the week beginning ticket being on a poor quality yellow paper Aug. 5, 1844. The local paper states that and the second class on green paper.

Each over a thousand persons travelled by the bears the initials of the official issuing the trains. The tickets bear the following particulars :



Monday, August 5, 1844. :39 August 5, 1844.


The Bearer must return by the Special Train from Gloucester, at

nine o'clock on Tuesday Evening, Aug. 6, or exchange this Ticket and Paid 6s. 6d.

pay 1s. at Mr. B. Wellings, Northgate-Street, Gloucester, and return
by any of the regular Trains, on Wednesday, August 7.
Paid 6s. 6d.

A. T. M.
This Ticket must be carefully preserved and produced when

required. SECOND CLASS.


Monday, August 5, 1844.

The Bearer may return by either of the Trains which leave the 562 August 5, 1841.

Camp-Hill Station, Birmingham, Monday Evening, at Eiyht o'clock, or
Tuesday Afternoon, at Six o'clock.
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This Ticket must be carefully preserved and produced when

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WILLIAM AND RALPH SHELDON (12 s. the Society of Jesus.' According to these vii. 466, 516).—While information has been authorities, Ralph Sheldon who married the given in regard to the tapestry industry heiress of the Rudings and acquired with founded at Barcheston by William Sheldon her land in Beoley, Feckenham, Hanbury of Beoley, and his identity has been estab- and Martin Hussingtree, had six sons.

Of lished, his relationship to the Catherine these William, the eldest, of Barford Hall, Sheldon who married Edmund Plowden is purchased the Manor of Beoley from still unanswered. In the hope that more Richard Neville, Lord Latimer, in the reign information may be forthcoming, let me of Edward IV. He was an ardent supporter state the difficulty. The question is of the House of York, followed Richard III. whether Catherine was the daughter of this to Bosworth and had his estates confiscated William (Sheldon pedigree) or his cousin by the victorious Henry VII. He died with(Plowden pedigree according to Archdeacon out issue September, 1517, the estates Cameron in the extract quoted by Mr. having been restored to him in that year WAINEWRIGHT). The Sheldon pedigree will [This is the William that the Plowden be found in full detail in Nash's Worcester- pedigree makes father of Catherine.] siuire, 1781–99,'having been contributed to William's younger brother Ralph eventually that work by J. C. Brooke, Somerset Herald, succeeded to the Beoley property. He as an act of gratitude to the memory of the married Philippa, daughter and co-heiress of

great Ralph Sheldon (1623–84) who Baldwin Heath and died September, 1546. gave over 300 MSS. and numerous pedigrees Of their issue William the eldest son is the to the College of Arms. Some useful addi. one who established the tape stry works at tions are contained in Glazebrook's 'The Barcheston having married as his first wife Heraldry of Worcestershire,' 1873, and in Mary, daughter and co-heiress cf William the Sheldon pedigree in vol. v., p. 849, of Willington of Barcheston. He purchased Foley’s ‘ Records of the English Province of the Manor of Weston iuxta Chiriton, co

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