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A painting by Pope Steevens, a well-known
Irish artist, was made in 1749 of him in the act of CONTENTS.-N° 134.
descending the steps of the House of Commons, NOTES :-Tottenham in his Boots, 41- Thomas Vicary, 42-exhibiting his riding-dress, boots and whip inMSS. of the Paston LettersBrooke of Astley, 43.-Ohthere's cluded. This was engraved by Andrew Miller, Voyage-Minch
or Minsh Houses-Nore, 44- Dickens and Sir T. Martin–Fielding's Daughter-Crowland Abbey, 45, and great numbers of the engravings were scattered Sneap - Stampede - Soapy Bam-Vice Versa'-Woollett through the country. Some few have been occasionand Bartolozzi-Warspite, 46.
ally offered for sale, but, so far as I could ascertain, QUERIES :-Chapman's 'All Fools'-Cliffe family-George they have always brought a very high price.
Hanger, Lord Coleraine-"Odd-come-shorts": "Tantadling
the precise subject on which the vote was given. REPLIES :-“Primrose path,” 49–Little Summer of St. Luke In Archdall's edition of Lodge's 'Irish Peerage,'
- Palm Sunday-Edwards – A. Brice and Lord Ogleby- | 1789, at p. 269 of vol. vii., it is stated that the Catsbrain - Blood is thicker than water,” 50 - Straw question was "whether any redundancy in the boots "=Ex pede Herculem”-Burial-place of George L, Irish Treasury should there continue, or be sent Records of Celtic Occupation, 52 - Ancient Views of the into England"; and in bis amusing 'Memoirs' Sir Zodiac-Fable of the Dogs and the Kite --Prager, 53... Lapp Jonah Barrington improves on this statement, and - Matthew Arnold-Curiosities of Cataloguing-Annas, 51– gives the sum of 60,000l. as the precise amount Rhenish Uniform - Title of Novel
Hampton Poylor of the surplus. I think that both Archdall and Hanover-Beaconsfield and the Primrose, 55-Norfolk song - Death of Charles I.--".” Bronze Penny-Coroners and Barrington are wrong. The latter is well known Churchwardens, 56 - Stafford House --- Study of Dante - to have drawn considerably on his imagination for Expulsion of Jews-Steel Pens-Death Bell, 57-Authors
facts. Wanted, 58. NOTES ON BOOKS :-Rylands's ‘Lancashire Inquisitions'
Long ago I carefully examined the Commons' --Earwaker's Index to the Wills and Inventories, Court of Journals, page by page, from the beginning to the Probate, Chester –Bradley's The Goths'-Green's Calen- end of the reign of George II., and no such quesdar of State Papers '-Mackay's ‘Dictionary of Lowland tion is recorded there. I copied every division on
every question during that whole period. Exclusive
given, there were but four divisions decided by a Potes.
single vote, but the question of disposing of a surplus in the Treasury was not one
of these. TOTTENHAM IN HIS BOOTS.
In Francis Hardy's 'Life of Lord Charlmont,' Permit me to solicit the assistance of some of 1812, vol. i. p. 76, a different account is given. your numerous readers in reference to the vote He says, “During Lord Carteret's administration given by my ancestor on some very important the strange attempt to continue the supplies for question in the Irish House of Commons. Charles twenty-one years was defeated only by one voice"; Tottenham, of Tottenham Green, in the county of and then in a note, “Colonel Tottenham, he deWexford, was elected one of the members for the serves to be recorded,” &c., and then he tells the borough of New Ross, in the same county, in 1727, story of the boots. In Warburton's 'Annals of in the first Parliament of George II., and continued Dublin' it is stated that this attempt was made in to represent that constituency until his death in 1729 ; and in the Commons' Journals, vol. iii. 1758. The designation above mentioned was be- p. 601, I found that a Committee had recomstowed on him in consequence of a vote which de- mended the taxes to be granted to the Crown for cided the question at issue. Having been informed twenty-one years on November 21, 1729. In the that the matter was of extreme importance, he rode report on the question of the Committee of Ways some sixty miles to Dublin' from his residence, and and Means the taxes were approved of, but the as the division was imminent, and likely to be very "twenty-one years'
was omitted. Warburton close, he rode direct to the House, without delay- says, “This audacious attempt was defeated but ing to change his riding suit for uniform or full by a majority of one," but he does not name that one. dress, which was then supposed to be necessary. It seems to me that the question was decided in a He arrived at the critical moment, in his huge Committee of the whole House ; but committee projack-boots and spattered over with mud, and gave ceedings are not usually recorded in the Journals. bis vote (which happened to be the casting one) for Assuming that Hardy's is the correct account, his country and against the Government.
Why was the portrait already mentioned not painted It has been a tradition amongst his descendants for twenty years after the vote was given? The that he was fined the sum of 500l. for appearing in painting was made in 1749, but up to 1751 there the House in his dirty boots. However that may was no surplus in the Irish Treasury. On Debe, the whole country rejoiced at his patriotic con- cember 23, 1749, an Act was passed for discharging duct.
70,0001. and 58,0001. of the National Debt, and
for the payment of interest at 4 per cent. on old twenty pounds a year, or a fresh one. In 1539, Vicary 250,0001., “ the balance then remaining due "; and gets from Henry VIII, a beneficial lease for 21 years of on December 7, 1751, an Act was passed to pay off Abbey in Kent, close to Maidstone ; and as he is 120,0001., and to pay interest on 117,5001., the person of influence with the King, a rich Northampton balance then due.
shire equire, Anthony Wodehull, who has an infant Subsequently there was a surplus, for it is stated daughter, and is probably a patient of the chief Court in the Earls of Kildare' that James, twentieth Surgeon, appoints Vicary as one of the Trustees of his Earl, and subsequently first Duke of Leinster, was the protection of his girl's property and person during
Will (proved Oct. 11, 1542), with a view (no doubt) to prominent in his opposition to the repeated at- her nonage. In 1541, as the acknowledged Head of his tempts of the English Government to lay hands on profession, Vicary is appointed the First Master of the the Irish surplus. The late Duke of Leinster, then newly amalgamated Companies of Barbers and Surgeons, Marquis of Kildare, told me more than once that sicians-by Holbein. In this year 1541, be also gets he never came across Boots's name in the papers beneficial lease for 60 years, from Sir Thos. Wyat, the connected with the debates as to the surplus. poet, of lands in Boxley, Kent. In 1642, he and his BOR
The picture having been painted in 1749, the William (also probably & Surgeon) are appointed by event which it commemorated must have taken Henry, Bailiffs of Boxley Manor, &c., in Rent, with place between the election of 1727 and that year. again Master of the united Company of Barbers and Sar
yearly salaries of 101. each. In Sept. 1546-7, Vicary is I have no opportunity here of referring to the geons
. In Dec., 1547, he marries his second wife, Alice political pamphlets of that period, but have little Bucke. doubt that several of them or of periodicals contain
" In 1546-7, Henry VIII. handed over Bartholomew's remarks respecting the vote in question ; and pos- | (with other Hospitals, &c.) to the City of London. He sibly some of your readers may be able, and not gave it a small endowment (nominally 3331. odd) ont
tumble-down houses, which he charged with pensions to less willing, to refer me to any of them which parsong. The balance of the endowment
was but enough throw a light on this point, which may almost be to keep, as patients, 'thre or foure barlottes, then being called historical. HENRY L. TOTTENHAM. in chyldbedde.' So the City set to work, raised 1,0004. for Guernsey.
repairs, fittings, &c., practically reopened the Hospital, for 100 patients, and, on 29 Sept., 1548, appointed Chief
Surgeon Vicary as one of the 6 new Governors of the THOMAS VICARY.
Hospital to act with the 6 old ones. Vicary must soon As my repeated askings in ‘N. & Q.' for details after have become Resident Surgical Governor of the of the life of this worthy of Kent and chief surgeon the old Convent Garden in June, 1551; and in June,
Hospital. He was reappointed annually; be is given to Henry VIII., Edward VI., Queen Mary, and 1552, is made one of the assistants of this house for the Queen Elizabeth, have not drawn one single scrap terme of his lyffe' (extract by Dr. N. Moore). He has 3 of information from the readers of ‘N. & Q.,'I Surgeons under him, at 181. (1549), and then 201. (1552) think they may like to have the short sketch of a year each. The Hospital finds him a Livery gown, and Vicary's life which my father and I are going to death, late in 1561, or early in 1562. That to him is due
repairs his house. He holds his appointment till his put in part i. of our edition of the old surgeon's part of the Hospital organization, and some of the beauti
Anatomie of the Body of Man' (1548, from the ful unselfish spirit shown in the City Ordre' for Barts unique copy of its reissue by the Bartholomew's in 1552, we do not doubt. This Ordre'no one can read Surgeons in 1577), with its 250 pages of Appendix
without admiring. of Documents, a few examples of which have Master of the Barber-Surgeons. In 1548 too, he published
" In Sept., 1548, Vicary was, for the fourth time, elected already appeared in ‘N. & Q. I still hope that his Anatomie--the first in English on the subject, - but this sketch may lead to notices of Vicary yet un- whether this was after or before he was made a Governor known to us being sent. We shall not feel happy of Barts, we cannot say. The book, though mainly tratill we have got something out of that omniscient ditional, and not founded on actual dissections, was rejournal in which all students “inquire within upon printed by the Surgeons of Barts in 1577, with a few everything," and so seldom fail to get an answer:- earliest now known, our reprint is made, with added
Forewords; and from the unique copy of that issue, the “The first tidings of Vicary (who was probably born head-lines and side-notes. Frequently supplemented, between 1490 and 1500) are, that he was a meane prac- Vicary's little Anatomie held the field for 150 years. (UD. tiser (had a moderate practise) at Maidstone,' and was luckily the biographical details of an Italian doctor in not a trained Surgeon. In 1625 he is Junior of the three one of the added Treatises, have been lately set down to Wardens of the Barbers' or Barber-Surgeons' Company Vicary.) in London. In 1528 he is Upper or first Warden of the “In 1553, Queen Mary made a special grant to Vicary Company, and one of the Surgeons to Henry VIII., at of the Arrears of his Chief Court-Surgeons' Annuity of 201. a year. In 1530 he is Master of the Barber-Surgeons' 261. 138. 4d., which he came into in 1536, on De la Company, and is appointed-in reversion after the death More's death or resignation. In 1554 he was appointed of Marcellus de la More-Serjeant of the Surgeons, and Surgeon to Mary's husband, K. Philip; and in 1555, Chief Surgeon to the King. This Headship of his Pro- Philip and Mary re-granted to Vicary-his son William fession, Vicary takes in 1535 or 1536, together with its being doubtless then dead—the Bailiffship of the Manor yearly pay of 261. 133. 4d., and holds it (under Edw. VI., of Boxley, &c., and the 2 Annuities of 101., which Henry Q. Mary, and Q. Elizabeth) till his death in 1561 or VIII. bad granted to Vicary and his son in 1542. Year 1562. He is the Paget of his great Tudor time.
by year Vicary quietly worked on, doing his duty to the " In 1535, a fresh Grant is made to Vicary of either his sick poor at Barts, and in the Barber-Surgeons' Com
pany. He had saved money enough by March, 1557–8, to autographs, signs manual, &c., from Canute, 1017, lend his brother-in-law, Thos. Dunkyn, yeoman of St. to George 1., 1714, and the “ Howard Papers," & of his nephew Thomas Vicary, of Tenterden, in Kent, large collection of ancient
documents and papers clothier; and possibly about this time he buys of In: relating to the family of Howard and the Dukes Joyce a house and some land next to Boxley Church, in of Norfolk.
RALPH N. JAMES. Kent, which he devises to his nephew Stephen Vicary, son of his brother William, late of Boxley. In Sept., BROOKE OF ASTLEY.—Some time ago, while 1557–8, he is, for the fifth and last time, Master of the pointing out the discrepancies between the two Barber-Surgeons' Company.
"On Jan. 27, 1560/1, Vicary makes his Will; and he accounts of the family of Brooke of Astley conprobably dies late in 1561, or early in 1562, as the last tained in Burke's ' Peerage and Baronetage,' and payment to him of his Annuity of 201, is in Sept., 1561, in the 1850 edition of the 'Landed Gentry' and his Will is proved by his widow on April 7, 1562. [('N. & Q.,' 7th 8. iv. 87), I asked the question, Where he is buried, we have not yet been able to find. Shortly before his death he was (says Mr. S. Young)
" Who was Thomas Brooke, of Gray's Inn and named in a Commission of Queen Elizabeth's to the Wilmslow ?” I have since seen the 'Admission Barber-Surgeons' Company to press Surgeons for her Register of Gray's Inn,' edited by Mr. Joseph military service."
Foster, and find that three persons only were adPERCY FURNIVALL. mitted to that society named Thomas Brooke,
Brookes, or Brooks, namely :THE MSS. OF THE PASTON LETTERS.—These 1. Thomas Brooks, admitted 1556. most interesting letters were written from 1422 to 2. Thomas, son and heir (sic) of Richard Brooke, 1509; that is, during the long struggle between of Norton, co. Chester, admitted 1629. the houses of York and Lancaster. In addition
3. Thomas Brookes, of Middlewich, co. Chester, to the original MSS. of many of those letters gent., two years of Staple Inn; admitted May 19, already printed, Messrs. Christie will offer for sale 1677; called to the Bar May 18, 1683. at their rooms on July 31 some which have never
As the first of these persons was admitted in been published. The whole collection is divided 1556, at least a century too early, and the second into three lots, of which the first comprises 311, was of the Norton family, it follows that if there these being the 220 long-lost original letters and ever existed a Thomas Brooke, of Gray's Inn and documents published by Sir John Fenn in his Wilmslow, he must have been one and the same third and fourth volumes of the “Paston Letters, with Thomas Brookes, of Middlewich. The addiin 4to, 1787-89," together with 95 additional tion of the final s would be immaterial, for surletters discovered at Roydon Hall, Norfolk, in 1875, pames were not then written with much precision by the late Mr. Frere, and described by Mr. James in the matter of spelling even by their owners. I Gairdner in the third appendix to his edition should like to follow up this clue by a search in (1874) of the 'Paston Letters.' Of these portions the registers of Staple Inn for the parentage of of the correspondence only six letters are missing. Thomas Brookes, of Middlewich, but I do not On the other hand, in the lot are four not men know where these registers are now to be found. tioned in Fenn's or Gairdner's editions. The The query of H. C. F. on this subject does not second lot contains 59 letters written by or to seem to have been answered (“N. & Q.,'6th S. xi. various members of the Paston family, ranging in 207). date from 1564 to 1700. The third lot consists of
If Thomas Brookes of Middlewich and Thomas 98 letters by or to Robert, Earl of Yarmouth (Sir of Wilmslow were identical, Şir Bernard Burke Robert Paston, created Earl of Yarmouth by has confused Thomas of Wilmslow with Thomas of Charles II.) and his son William, the second Earl, Astley, for it is impossible that the latter, who was between 1669 and 1685. A detailed description son of Richard Brooke and Margaret Charnock, of these two series will be found in Horwood's his wife, could have entered at Staple Inn as early Report, vol. vii. pt. 1. They have not been printed as the year 1675, for his maternal grandparents,
At the same time will be sold the Gawdy cor- Robert Charnock and Alice, his wife, were not respondence, a very important collection of 124 married until 1649. Moreover, though I have not letters dated from 1579 to 1616. In them men- any record of the baptism of this Thomas Brooke, tion is made of many very memorable occurrences the Rector of Chorley has very kindly copied for which happened during that period. They are
me the following extracts from the registers of his described in Horwood's Report, vol. vii. pt. i., but parish relating to the baptism of three of the other have not been published.
children of Richard Brooke and Margaret CharThere will also be included in the sale the volu- nock :minous Norris manuscript collections, relating to William, son of Richard Brooke of Astley, christened the county of Norfolk, MS. documents relating 1687. to the Priory and family of Bokenham (Bucking. January, 1689.
Mabel, dau. of Richard Brooke of Astley, christened ham), Sir John Fenn's Repertorium Chiro-Typi- Mary, dau. of Richard Brooke of Astley, christened cum, containing more than 1,000 facsimiles of 1691.
Thomas Brooke is generally supposed to have been The passage is printed in Sweet's 'Anglo-Saxon the youngest of the song of Richard and Margaret Reader'; but no notice is taken of the difficulty, Brooke, and so was probably born subsequently to nor is any solution offered. 1687, the year of his brother William's baptism, at The true answer is extremely simple--when you which date Thomas Brookes of Middlewich had know it. Any one acquainted with the colioquial for many years been a member of Gray's Inn. character of Anglo-Saxon narrative will, of course,
Glad as I should be to know that a male de- easily see that the words “of these " refer to the scendant of the Brookes of Astley still exists, I walruses. The preceding sentence is a mere parenthink that it will turn out that Mr. Edward thesis. Ohthere was a practical man, and an honest, Brooke, of Pabo, Conway, &c. (whose pedigree is and knew what he was talking about. He tells us given in the last edition of the 'Landed Gentry' that the horse-whale is but seven ells, or fourteen under“ Brooke of Wexham), is not a descendant feet long. Then he adds, parenthetically," but in of this family, as asserted by Sir Bernard Burke, my country, the real wbales are ninety-six or one but that his progenitor was the above-mentioned hundred feet long"; and then, continuing his Thomas Brookes of Middlewich.
narrative," he said, that he with five others killed In one point I find the ‘Peerage and Baronet- sixty of them in two days." The A.-S. thae'ra is Age' is correct. Although for centuries the Astley best translated by "of them,” as usual. estate belonged to the Charnocks, Sir Peter Thus the whole difficulty utterly vanishes. I Brooke does seem to have owned it. Possibly have no doubt whatever that six men could kill the Charnocks, impoverished as they were by five walruses apiece in the course of the day, at a their loyalty to King Charles, may have sold this time when they could be found plentifully. Per. estate to Sir Peter with the understanding that on haps it could even be done now. A little pamphlet his death it should pass to his son Richard, the on. Orosian Geography' has just been published by husband of Margaret Charnock. The unique col- W. & A. K. Johnston. It is written by J. McCubbin lection of charters showing the descent of the and D. T. Holmes, and gives a translation of the manor, which Mr. Townley-Parker is said to pos- Voyages' of Ohthere and Wulfstan, with three sess, would no doubt clear up this difficulty. At illustrative maps. WALTER W. SKEAT. any rate in the Chorley registers there is the following entry :
MINCH OR MINSH HOUSES.—In a very curious
little book I have lately fallen in with I find the Peter Brooke of Astley, Knight, buried Dec. 3, 1685.
following passages :In the church there is a long Latin inscription, in “Then lay at a minch-house in the road, being a good which the worthy knight is said to have been inne for the country; for most of the public houses I “Filius natu vigessimus sextus Thomæ Brooke de mett with before in country places were no better than Norton in Comitat Cestriæ Armig.” Astley seems ale houses, which they call here minch-houses." to be a most interesting place, containing much village, but in it is a sort of inne or minsh-house of
"Gott to Lesmahago, which I found to be but a small old oak furniture. Has it ever been visited by considerable note kept by a ffarmer of great dealings." any of the archaeological societies?
I have never met with the word minch or minsh H. W. FORSYTH HARWOOD. 12, Onslow Gardens, S.W.
before, nor can I find any one who has done so. It
is not to be found in Jamieson. I do not think OHTHERE'S VOYAGE.-There is a
it is a Scots word, notwithstanding the conclusion Ohthere's voyage in Ælfred's translation of Orosius of the first of the above extracts. Can any reader which has been curiously misunderstood. Dr. Bog- of ‘N. & Q.' throw light on the subject? I subjoin worth's translation, p. 41, gives it thus :
some particulars about the book : 'North of Eng“ He chiefly went thither, in addition to the seeing of Blackwood, 1818; only one hundred copies printed.
land and Scotland in 1704,' Edinburgh, William because they have very good bone in their teeth ; of The copy I have seen belongs to the Signet Library, these teeth they brought some to the king; and their and is inscribed, “For Mr. David Laing from his hides are very good for ship-ropes. This whale is much Friend W. B." I give here the publisher's note:less than other whales; it is not longer than seven ells; but in his own country is the best whale-hunting: they the original manuscript formerly in the possession of the
“The following Journal is now first published from are eight and forty elis long, and the largest fifty ells late Mr. Johnes, of Hafod, the well-known translator of long; of these, he said, that he was one of six who killed Froissart, Joinville, &c." sixty in two days [i, e., he with five others killed sixty in two days]."
Nothing is known with regard to the author, but Dr. Bosworth's note is :
it appears probable that he was a Londoner. “Every translator has found a difficulty in this pag.
R. A. G. sage, as it appeared impossible for six men to kill sixty
Edinburgh, whales in two days."
MEANING OF NORE.- I do not think the sigAfter which follows a long discussion, showing the nification of the word “Nore" as a place-name has impossibility of the feat.
ever been discussed ; and as it would be interest